230WHP 1969 Mini Classic Mini
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230WHP 1969 Mini Classic Mini
This car must be scary to drive.
from the article:
This 1969 Mini Cooper runs a built, naturally aspirated Honda B18C good for a deranged 230 plus WHP. Further said to have cost over $50k to build, the car looks well put together in photos with what we’d call good, driver cosmetics. We love a good original or period-modified Mini, but with plenty still around it’s easy to appreciate a heavily re-worked one that can go toe-to-toe with a modern sports cars in a straight line.
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from the article:
This 1969 Mini Cooper runs a built, naturally aspirated Honda B18C good for a deranged 230 plus WHP. Further said to have cost over $50k to build, the car looks well put together in photos with what we’d call good, driver cosmetics. We love a good original or period-modified Mini, but with plenty still around it’s easy to appreciate a heavily re-worked one that can go toe-to-toe with a modern sports cars in a straight line.
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that Mini has got to be getting close to motorcycle power-to-weight ratios.
Let's see... Let's assume ~1700 lbs, based on Wikipedia and assuming the Honda engine adds a couple hundred pounds. That's about 7.4 lb/hp. (Lower numbers are better.)
A 2009 Harley-Davidson FLSTF Softail Fat Boy weighs 714 lbs and makes 63hp (crank, not curb, but we'll ignore that). 11 lb/hp.
A 2009 Honda CBR1000RR weighs in at 439 lb and 178hp. 2.5 lb/hp.
A Ducati 1098 weighs 381lbs and makes 160hp, for an equally ludicrous 2.4 lb/hp.
For comparison, a 2008 MINI JCW weighs 2888 lb and makes 232hp, for 12 lb/hp.
So, it's fair to say that the 1969 Mini with the modern Honda engine is much faster than a JCW MINI or a Harley, but not as fast as a real motorcycle.
Let's see... Let's assume ~1700 lbs, based on Wikipedia and assuming the Honda engine adds a couple hundred pounds. That's about 7.4 lb/hp. (Lower numbers are better.)
A 2009 Harley-Davidson FLSTF Softail Fat Boy weighs 714 lbs and makes 63hp (crank, not curb, but we'll ignore that). 11 lb/hp.
A 2009 Honda CBR1000RR weighs in at 439 lb and 178hp. 2.5 lb/hp.
A Ducati 1098 weighs 381lbs and makes 160hp, for an equally ludicrous 2.4 lb/hp.
For comparison, a 2008 MINI JCW weighs 2888 lb and makes 232hp, for 12 lb/hp.
So, it's fair to say that the 1969 Mini with the modern Honda engine is much faster than a JCW MINI or a Harley, but not as fast as a real motorcycle.
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that Mini has got to be getting close to motorcycle power-to-weight ratios.
Let's see... Let's assume ~1700 lbs, based on Wikipedia and assuming the Honda engine adds a couple hundred pounds. That's about 7.4 lb/hp. (Lower numbers are better.)
A 2009 Harley-Davidson FLSTF Softail Fat Boy weighs 714 lbs and makes 63hp (crank, not curb, but we'll ignore that). 11 lb/hp.
A 2009 Honda CBR1000RR weighs in at 439 lb and 178hp. 2.5 lb/hp.
A Ducati 1098 weighs 381lbs and makes 160hp, for an equally ludicrous 2.4 lb/hp.
For comparison, a 2008 MINI JCW weighs 2888 lb and makes 232hp, for 12 lb/hp.
So, it's fair to say that the 1969 Mini with the modern Honda engine is much faster than a JCW MINI or a Harley, but not as fast as a real motorcycle.
Let's see... Let's assume ~1700 lbs, based on Wikipedia and assuming the Honda engine adds a couple hundred pounds. That's about 7.4 lb/hp. (Lower numbers are better.)
A 2009 Harley-Davidson FLSTF Softail Fat Boy weighs 714 lbs and makes 63hp (crank, not curb, but we'll ignore that). 11 lb/hp.
A 2009 Honda CBR1000RR weighs in at 439 lb and 178hp. 2.5 lb/hp.
A Ducati 1098 weighs 381lbs and makes 160hp, for an equally ludicrous 2.4 lb/hp.
For comparison, a 2008 MINI JCW weighs 2888 lb and makes 232hp, for 12 lb/hp.
So, it's fair to say that the 1969 Mini with the modern Honda engine is much faster than a JCW MINI or a Harley, but not as fast as a real motorcycle.
Also the ***** to take your motorcycle up as fast as it can go and taking all those g/s. Gets me hard thinking about it, but I am not sure I have the physical frame for it.
The car is in really good condition. Paint and body work are really nice. No expense spared build. This is a driven car so it does have small paint chips etc from occasional road use.
The car has almost every minitec vetc conversion part made.
Also trying not to nitpick, but no bucket seats? If Bunta Fujiwara can't take it, you can't!
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Good points, but missing some big ones. There are two things that make or break a build, Suspension/Wheel Hop, Torque Range, and drivetrain. I am willing to bet, even with that insane difference between a real sports motorcycle and the car, that the Mini could crush that motorcycle, IF, it had a beefy CRV AWD conversion on that B18... I can't really tell by the pics, but why no tenny turbo for all that money and work?
Also the ***** to take your motorcycle up as fast as it can go and taking all those g/s. Gets me hard thinking about it, but I am not sure I have the physical frame for it.
I priced out all this work for a Electric Mini conversion I wanted to do, and there really isn't a reason to go the extra mile and go with the CRV transaxle. I was within 5 grand or less, and most of the parts are so easy to get. Like the miata diff, or if they were supersmart, the RX8 Diff.
Also trying not to nitpick, but no bucket seats? If Bunta Fujiwara can't take it, you can't!
Also the ***** to take your motorcycle up as fast as it can go and taking all those g/s. Gets me hard thinking about it, but I am not sure I have the physical frame for it.
I priced out all this work for a Electric Mini conversion I wanted to do, and there really isn't a reason to go the extra mile and go with the CRV transaxle. I was within 5 grand or less, and most of the parts are so easy to get. Like the miata diff, or if they were supersmart, the RX8 Diff.
Also trying not to nitpick, but no bucket seats? If Bunta Fujiwara can't take it, you can't!
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Cheers, Whatty.
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Hi Mr. MINIdave
OK, after phone call to the builder and owner I can report that the gold Mini is producing 305bhp at the flywheel.
In addition the twin cam head is mated to an A-Series block and that drive to the wheels is delivered courtesy of a straight cut dog box through a Quaife differential.
The rather trick head is based on the BMW K series twin cam motorbike. Its developed by a company local to me and is a rather innovative bit of engineering.
www.twinkam.co.uk or try my latest blog entry. They have some fun stuff.
Cheers, Whatty.
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