Drivetrain Is smoother shifter feel possible?
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Is smoother shifter feel possible?
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This is my first post so go easy! SO, I have a B&M short shifter and I noticed that it's a struggle to get my mini into just about any gear. Now, I am not talking about completely muscling it into gear but it is in no way smooth or effortless. I have replaced shifter linkages before (on other cars) and thought that maybe the salty winters have started to corrode and stiffen them up. What made me ask this was the smooth effortless shifter feel of a Volvo S40. I want that..
Any ideas?
This is my first post so go easy! SO, I have a B&M short shifter and I noticed that it's a struggle to get my mini into just about any gear. Now, I am not talking about completely muscling it into gear but it is in no way smooth or effortless. I have replaced shifter linkages before (on other cars) and thought that maybe the salty winters have started to corrode and stiffen them up. What made me ask this was the smooth effortless shifter feel of a Volvo S40. I want that..
Any ideas?
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Not sure at all, but I will say that I think the tightness or sharpness of the R53's gearbox is just fabulous. I had the chance to test drive a bunch of R56's last year, and the "floppiness" of the gearbox on those stunned me to the point of hating it.
I know this reply didn't help, sorry for that. I hope you're able to get some info on it, but I have a feeling that it's just how the transmission is setup. I could be wrong though. lol
I know this reply didn't help, sorry for that. I hope you're able to get some info on it, but I have a feeling that it's just how the transmission is setup. I could be wrong though. lol
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I just fixed mine with some white lithium grease. Works better than new.
First you need to remove your airbox, this gives you access to the shifting mechanism attached on the gearbox below. I have the JCW airbox and once the top is removed, I can rotate the bottom half 90 or 180 deg without unhooking the ECU.
Have a friend shift through the gears inside (or you can do it yourself at the gearbox) grab the two cable ends and get familiar with how the shifter parts function. This gives you an idea of where lube is needed.
- Pack lithium grease underneath the ball joints at the shift cable ends.
- Smear on weighted shifter part where the large rod is (this can be accessed from the drivers side wheel area with wheel removed).
- Put lithium grease on pivot points.
- Pull up shift boot cover on the inside of the car and lube the shifter ball
- Pack grease into the right side where it shifts into reverse.
- Reinstall airbox
- Test drive
First you need to remove your airbox, this gives you access to the shifting mechanism attached on the gearbox below. I have the JCW airbox and once the top is removed, I can rotate the bottom half 90 or 180 deg without unhooking the ECU.
Have a friend shift through the gears inside (or you can do it yourself at the gearbox) grab the two cable ends and get familiar with how the shifter parts function. This gives you an idea of where lube is needed.
- Pack lithium grease underneath the ball joints at the shift cable ends.
- Smear on weighted shifter part where the large rod is (this can be accessed from the drivers side wheel area with wheel removed).
- Put lithium grease on pivot points.
- Pull up shift boot cover on the inside of the car and lube the shifter ball
- Pack grease into the right side where it shifts into reverse.
- Reinstall airbox
- Test drive
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-Mr Silverblood, I agree 100% the gear box feels sturdy and tight. I just feel like the shifts could be just a bit smoother!
-TSR53, thanks! This is just what I was looking for. I did the exact same thing to my old focus zx3 and it helped a ton. I wasn't sure where the linkages connect on the mini or where to grease. I know the focus had a special cover over the shift mechanism. I am going to assume that the mini does also. I am going to do this tomorrow, any type of grease you would recommend? Also, I have greased under the shift boot before and it made an annoying sticking sound when shifting, would that be the case with lithium grease? I think high temp ball bearing grease was used so that might be the reason.
-TSR53, thanks! This is just what I was looking for. I did the exact same thing to my old focus zx3 and it helped a ton. I wasn't sure where the linkages connect on the mini or where to grease. I know the focus had a special cover over the shift mechanism. I am going to assume that the mini does also. I am going to do this tomorrow, any type of grease you would recommend? Also, I have greased under the shift boot before and it made an annoying sticking sound when shifting, would that be the case with lithium grease? I think high temp ball bearing grease was used so that might be the reason.
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I like marine grease for this, maybe time to dig in a bit.
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Smoother shifting is possible. . .
In addition to lubing the shift cables as TSR53 suggested, the shifting also improves when you switch your gear lube to Redline. The transmission's synchros work more smoothly and gears engage slightly more quickly.
I begin using MTL (Manual Transmission Light) in 2005, which was their recommendation at the time, but it was slightly lighter than stock, so I would add a partial quart of MT90 mixed with 2 quarts of MTL for just the right feel. Now Redline is making a similar blend, and it's called MT-85.
Your choice: MTL or MT-85, or blend your own. (It works well with the limited-slip differential if you have it.)
I begin using MTL (Manual Transmission Light) in 2005, which was their recommendation at the time, but it was slightly lighter than stock, so I would add a partial quart of MT90 mixed with 2 quarts of MTL for just the right feel. Now Redline is making a similar blend, and it's called MT-85.
Your choice: MTL or MT-85, or blend your own. (It works well with the limited-slip differential if you have it.)
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http://www.nm-eng.com/nm668855-nm-en...box-cover.html
google is your friend
I like marine grease for this, maybe time to dig in a bit.
google is your friend
I like marine grease for this, maybe time to dig in a bit.
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In addition to lubing the shift cables as TSR53 suggested, the shifting also improves when you switch your gear lube to Redline. The transmission's synchros work more smoothly and gears engage slightly more quickly.
I begin using MTL (Manual Transmission Light) in 2005, which was their recommendation at the time, but it was slightly lighter than stock, so I would add a partial quart of MT90 mixed with 2 quarts of MTL for just the right feel. Now Redline is making a similar blend, and it's called MT-85.
Your choice: MTL or MT-85, or blend your own. (It works well with the limited-slip differential if you have it.)
I begin using MTL (Manual Transmission Light) in 2005, which was their recommendation at the time, but it was slightly lighter than stock, so I would add a partial quart of MT90 mixed with 2 quarts of MTL for just the right feel. Now Redline is making a similar blend, and it's called MT-85.
Your choice: MTL or MT-85, or blend your own. (It works well with the limited-slip differential if you have it.)
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-Mr Silverblood, I agree 100% the gear box feels sturdy and tight. I just feel like the shifts could be just a bit smoother!
-TSR53, thanks! This is just what I was looking for. I did the exact same thing to my old focus zx3 and it helped a ton. I wasn't sure where the linkages connect on the mini or where to grease. I know the focus had a special cover over the shift mechanism. I am going to assume that the mini does also. I am going to do this tomorrow, any type of grease you would recommend? Also, I have greased under the shift boot before and it made an annoying sticking sound when shifting, would that be the case with lithium grease? I think high temp ball bearing grease was used so that might be the reason.
-TSR53, thanks! This is just what I was looking for. I did the exact same thing to my old focus zx3 and it helped a ton. I wasn't sure where the linkages connect on the mini or where to grease. I know the focus had a special cover over the shift mechanism. I am going to assume that the mini does also. I am going to do this tomorrow, any type of grease you would recommend? Also, I have greased under the shift boot before and it made an annoying sticking sound when shifting, would that be the case with lithium grease? I think high temp ball bearing grease was used so that might be the reason.
I hope this helps, post back your new shifter feel.
Cheers, Thompson
Unfortunately, the MINI doesn't have a protective cover over the linkage on the gearbox, it is exposed.
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Oooooh, I understand what you mean now! Yeah, you're right, especially when it's cold out, the gearbox feels VERY tight and a bit tough. I can almost feel the teeth of the gears as I'm shifting.
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So I got the grease:
http://www.amazon.com/10-each-Lubrim.../dp/B002LUMNB6
This is the best I could find; for some reason this is what the auto parts stores near me carried. I couldn't find any white grease. So I went home and started with my new can O lube.
-I began by taking the air box off and cleaning everything while getting to the shift linkages I generously applied it to the mechanism and (to my my surprise it was completely dry and had signs of corrosion..thanks upstate NY ) I would shift into each gear then go back and apply it to places I couldn't get to to make sure of complete coverage.
-After it was all greased and put back together I noticed the shifter felt much more free and would center without sticking. I also greased the shifter under the shift boot as TSR53 recommended and it worked great!
I would recommended anyone with a mini and less than perfect shifter feel to grease up their cars!
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I've found the ball ends of both shift cables & pivot points need regular lubrication or the shifting slowly gets worse over time (especially the side under the airbox, although the ends under the shifter need some occasional love too). I was using lithium grease, but have changed to dry lubes to avoid the affinity for dirt that grease has.
Also with regard to gearbox oil, I used to use Redline MTL and found it made next to no difference. I switched to the Ford Synthetic MTF recently as I needed a higher vis fluid and it seems to be working quite well.
Also with regard to gearbox oil, I used to use Redline MTL and found it made next to no difference. I switched to the Ford Synthetic MTF recently as I needed a higher vis fluid and it seems to be working quite well.
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yes it's about the same for the r56 09 (that's what I drive) to do the links under the shifter you'll have to drop the exhaust, remove the heat shield, and then remove the cover under the shifter, check out craven speeds install instructions for their short shifter (At the bottom of the page) to get an idea, also note the easiest way to get the white cover off the shifter ( the clips are in a horrible spot) is to just remove the 4 torx bolts and drop the shifter out of the car, remove the cover then bolt the shifter back up)
As for under the hood: remove your intake, MAF, cold air tube, and tubing to your turbo inlet and you'll have tons of room to get to the linkages on top of the transmission
GL!
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